Geneseo Enduro 2009
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Topic: Geneseo Enduro 2009
Subject: Geneseo Enduro 2009
Date Posted: 22 March 2009 at 11:04am
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All,
This thread is intended to keep everyone (Riders and Workers) a place to discuss upcoming events and ask questions in regards to the Geneseo Enduro (Work days, locations, etc.....) If you have questions or comments please use this forum as I will check regularly and answer accordingly.
For more info visit http://www.pgoffroadracing.com/Geneseo_Enduro.htm - http://www.pgoffroadracing.com/Geneseo_Enduro.htm http://www.pgoffroadracing.com/Geneseo_Enduro - http://www.pgoffroadracing.com/Geneseo_Enduro -
Gus
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Date Posted: 22 March 2009 at 3:44pm
| Please don't let Layton lay out any sections. |
Date Posted: 22 March 2009 at 11:54pm
| Why would they be to hard for you 2 whlrcr?? Those old farts remember how to lay out real enduro trail you know. |
Date Posted: 23 March 2009 at 11:10am
We were thinking we would just do one long straight flat section with no logs and no hills. Ha, ha just kidding. 
We will make it fun for all rider abilities.
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Date Posted: 23 March 2009 at 8:54pm
I AM one of the old farts Ryan. |
Date Posted: 23 March 2009 at 9:18pm
Hahahaha, to bad I volunteered to work this event wheelchairs or maybe we could have rode on the same minute. hehehe. Don't worry I won't be laying out any trail, I'll just do what my elders (Layton) tell me to do, staple, staple, staple.
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Date Posted: 23 March 2009 at 11:13pm
Yea but Layton is really old
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Date Posted: 24 March 2009 at 7:40am
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Yes I am old but like Jim S posted the other day, it takes real dedication to ride a dirt bike when you get old.
And, it takes even more dedication to hike up and down those hills putting up arrows. Riding is easy compared to that. ------------- Layton |
Date Posted: 24 March 2009 at 5:29pm
Yes, you would have to ride on my minute, because you don't have a clue on how to keep time. 
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Date Posted: 24 March 2009 at 5:30pm
True |
Date Posted: 25 March 2009 at 7:15pm
I thought you said all I need is a wrist watch and an odometer??? I got to know how to use them????
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Date Posted: 30 March 2009 at 11:13am
| Gee I don't think Layton is that old. We're just starting our second childhood. It just keeps getting better. |
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 9:44pm
| Hello guys. Looking forward to the enduro. I just got another bike after about a 10 year break and am excited to get back into the games. I ride some dual sport rides right now (LBL 200 coming up) and thought the enduro stuff looked fun. This will be my first one so if you see a guy that looks confused come say hello to me :) |
Date Posted: 05 September 2009 at 5:46pm
| Me too! Where is the sign up and start? I'm riding my first enduro in 22 years on same bike! Can't hardly wait! |
Date Posted: 05 September 2009 at 9:08pm
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I emailed the POC and he said there is no PRE register. Register Sat night or Sun morning. What are you riding chief? What class? Here is the flyer..... http://www.pgoffroadracing.com/Documents/Geneseo_Flyer_09_8.pdf |
Date Posted: 05 September 2009 at 11:03pm
| What does POC stand for? I wasn't going to pre register anyways. Just wondered where the start/club grounds/parking lot/staging area is? What class am I? You tell me what I should be. I'm happy just going for a nice trail ride on land that I don't get in trouble for. I'm 55 years old riding a 30 year old Bultaco Frontera 250. |
Date Posted: 06 September 2009 at 7:59am
| POC = 'point of contact'. Am I right? |
Date Posted: 06 September 2009 at 9:41am
Ya "point of contact"  I'm not sure about your class. I'm going open C I guess but you may be better off in a "vet" if they have one. I'm new to all this as well. The pdf flyer link I provided (also found in the first link) has the exits off of I-80. POC said there will be arrows guiding you in from there. Look forward to see ya there. Warren M |
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 8:32am
| Looks like there is a Super Senior class (+50). Guess that's me. |
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 11:42am
| I notice in the photos that are posted that almost every rider is running with bark busters and hand guards. Would any veterans of this ride recommend these. I have some but took them off. |
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 9:28pm
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Hah, you guys crack me up. Picking on an old guy like Layton. Anyway you new riders will like what we have so far. Nothing too hard or impassable...at least right now.
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Date Posted: 08 September 2009 at 10:03pm
| Can you tell how long a run it's going to be or is that a secret :) |
Date Posted: 09 September 2009 at 10:53pm
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Grayhair, I would run barkbusters for this or any Hare Scramble / Enduro in the midwest. Some events are tighter then others and Geneseo will have a good mix so it's better to be safe then sorry.
Warren, I'm guessing the event will be 2 loops (the same loop run twice) of about 30 miles each loop. This is what the event has typically been in the past. I'm sure as the event gets closer we'll get more details.
Fiddler, I heard two old guys showed you how to ride last weekend:)
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Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 7:55pm
Thanks FlyinRyan, I'm heading to Kentucky this weekend for a 200 mile dual sport ride so my rump should be in shape The wife and a friend are coming to watch the enduro. I'm looking forward to riding it.
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Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 8:12pm
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Thanks FlyinRyan, I got some new bars today and will put the bark busters back on.
How about some more advice for an old rookie. What do you carry as esentials regarding tools or spare parts? Do you carry much?
And, for our hosts, does 'no time keeping equipment required' mean that 'there is no way any of you guys are gonna stay on time?'
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Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 11:35pm
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Cheap $ tip... If you do ride an event that involves timekeeping equipment (that I prefer), consider this cheap dual purpose solution: If you wear a watch and need a new one, get the Casio SGW200. (reg retail $65, sale prices around $45) http://www.casio.com/products/Timepiece/Sports/SGW200-1V/ This is a runner's training watch. Click on the link above and read the 'technical specs' of this watch. Runners can measure their normal stride length (by running through a puddle and measuring the footprints) and then set an audible beeping pace signal. If they want to run a four minute mile, they set the pace signal that they then match their pounding footsteps. So, how does that help an enduro rider? The technical specs say that the stride length can be set between 12 inches and 118 inches. #1, set the stride length at the superhuman 118 inches (a 9.83 foot stride length) #2, set the pace at 215 steps per minute. The watch will then tell you how many miles you would have run for any period of time that you could maintain this pace. As an example after one minute you would have run 118 inches times 215 paces. You would have covered 25,370 inches or 2114 feet or .4 miles. After 30 minutes, you would have covered 2114 feet times 30 or 63,425 feet or 12.01 miles. The watch will display 12.01 miles. After 60 minutes the watch will display 24.02 miles. If you match your bikes odometer to the distance travelled on the watch, you will maintain a 24MPH average. If your odometer reads more than your watch, you are 'hot'. If your odometer reads less than your watch, you are slow. So, if you need a watch anyways, you now also have a nice mileage computer for your next enduro that uses a 24 MPH average. This is the maximum speed average that this watch can compute. If the enduro changes speed to lower averages during the enduro, you'd have to stop and reset the watch to a different pace and reset your odometer. (that might be a pain) Casio made the J50 Pacesetter watch back in the eighties when I use to run 10K races. I had this watch and figured out that I could use it for my enduro runs. Now Casio makes the SGW200 which has the same functions. Like I said, if you need a new watch anyways... |
Date Posted: 14 September 2009 at 4:12pm
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You won't need much for timekeeping on this enduro. We are using the restart format which means that the enduro is a series of timed sections broken up with transfer sections.
Each check at the begining of a timed section is a "known control". Because of the known control you can ride up to the check and wait for your minute to come up without any kind of a penalty. Then you ride as fast as you can to the end of the timed section where there is another check that gets your finish time. You WILL NOT arrive at that check early.
 Between the timed sections are transfer sections which could be roads, fields, or woods but the speed average in these sections are fairly low so everyone should have no trouble staying on time or even getting way ahead. Again, you can arrive early at the known control so just have fun in the transfer section and go real fast in the timed sections.
It's really pretty simple. The fastest rider after combining the scores of each timed section will win.
Bark busters are optional but highly recommend!
We are going to run milage this weekend. I would expect each loop to be between 25 and 30 miles. We will ride two loops.
We'd like to see some of the hare scramble guys give this a try which is why we went to the restart format. It eliminates most of the time keeping so if you know anyone that has been thinking about trying a enduro but was worried about the timekeeping then send them our way.
Ha!!!!! I just noticed that the little thingy below my name says "Half Throttle". That's about right for an old guy. At least I'm still riding a dirt bike.  ------------- Layton |
Date Posted: 14 September 2009 at 5:56pm
| Thanks, Layton. That's just what I expected. I'll be happy to see 30 miles of 'new to me' trails. I just enjoy the ride...don't care about the time or speed. |
Date Posted: 16 September 2009 at 3:37pm
But that's still pretty fast with a 300!!
Ryan, those old bastards show me something new every time I ride with them. Just last week I watched Layton kick his brand new 300 three times before he have up and just hit the start button.
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Date Posted: 18 September 2009 at 8:34pm
If I was riding a Frontera, I would want to carry a spare clutch, piston and rings, chain and sprockets and maybe a crank. Just joking.
The modern bikes are so reliable that, if you have done your maintenance, you almost don't have any problems on the trail, unless they are self induced. With your bike, you might want to carry a plug or two, if it fouls easily. Maybe some zip ties, wire, etc for a quick emergency repair. Some kind of multi tool, or small tools that easy to carry. Me, I'm lazy. I figure if I break, it's a good excuse to quit. Just for your information there are a few places that run a true vintage class in hare scrambles and also the Midwest VMX motocross series. Don't let the motocross part scare you off. The tracks are tame and nothing like modern MX and were all old and slow. |
Date Posted: 19 September 2009 at 4:25pm
| You hit the nail squarely on the head. I'm not riding off 20 miles from base on a Bultaco without almost my entire tool box and spare parts inventory strapped to my back and a good strong tow strap! |
Date Posted: 20 September 2009 at 8:46pm
I seen they have more info posted on the Enduro with a sweet gun raffle I also looked at the terrain and was wondering about my gearing. Right now I have a crf250x geared kinda low for tighter woods....but I can only cruise roads about 30 - 35mph comfy. I could gear it up to run 40ish comfy but at the cost of being able to work mud/tight trails and lofting my front tire. Any advice?? |
Date Posted: 21 September 2009 at 2:17pm
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Leave the gearing alone if you are comfortable with it.
This enduro has a lot of hills in some of the sections and the lower gearing will probably help you.
The speed limits on the roads we are using are all under 45 mph and there is no reason to be going any faster.
There will be plenty of reset time plus relatively easy transfer sections between the checks so 25 to 40 on the roads should be no problem. And we'd frown on speeding since you are in a lot of residential areas.
Also, if you are so far behind that you would have to speed on the roads to get back on time then you might just as well slow down and enjoy the scenery since you will to far behind to get a trophy anyway.
We are going to be running along a lot of bean fields this year. In fact, in one spot we go right through the middle of a bean field. The farmer was nice enough to let us do it but I actually felt guilty running over his beans on the pre ride Saturday.
SO- GUYS, STAY OUT OF THE BEANS EXCEPT FOR WHERE WE CROSS THE ONE FIELD. And even then stay between the arrows so we do as little damage as possible.
Most of the time when you are around bean fields you will be in transfer sections where you should not only be on time but way ahead and there will be NO excuse for getting into the fields.
I know everyone always says this but we actually will have someone with a clip board writing down the numbers of anyone that crosses that bean field in the wrong spot or gets off the line we marked. If we loose that field that is pretty much the end of the enduro as we have no other good way to get from point A to point B. Tell everyone you see that is riding the enduro what I just said because I'm not kidding about it at all.
There are several corn fields along the course and if you are dumb enough to hit those at speed then you get what you deserve.
The pre ride went great on Saturday. The trails are in excellent condition. If anything, they were on the dry side so any rain we get will just settle the dust.
Hope to see you there. ------------- Layton |
Date Posted: 21 September 2009 at 5:52pm
I don't know what you've changed your gearing too, but I have a stock CRF250X and the gearing works fine for this event. Comfortably cruising speed of 50mph. |
Date Posted: 21 September 2009 at 5:53pm
Layton, you are starting to sound like Ryan.
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Date Posted: 21 September 2009 at 6:50pm
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Thanks... from the weather it looks as if the dust should be settled by now |
Date Posted: 21 September 2009 at 9:52pm
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I am 60 and would definitely recommend Bark Busters. Went on a trail ride in the spring with an old buddy of mine and managed to tip over on an uphill and broke the perch.....forgot the old trick of loosening the perch so the lever or perch would not break ( a tip to the youngsters who were born after barkbusters were invented).
Will not make it to Geneseo this year. Working on Jackson County trails (Wisconsin) on Saturday, then family gathering with 90 year old uncle and aunt visiting from Texas on Saturday night.......
You can count on Pete and Gus making this a fun event.
Ken
P.S. I am still convinced Spence has my trophy from last year :--)
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Date Posted: 23 September 2009 at 4:14pm
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Barkbusters? Ryan isn't the idea to miss the trees? Just checking.
I also heard a guy named Walker is going to be washing bikes at Geneseo after the race (while wearing a skirt). Do you know anything about this?
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Date Posted: 24 September 2009 at 5:23am
| Anyone from the Elgin/St.Charles area going to the Geneseo Enduro? I could use a partner/ambulance driver just in case I need one. I'm probably coming by myself. If I ask, would someone from the club load up my stuff and take my truck to a safe location if I am in recovery mode? |
Date Posted: 24 September 2009 at 7:50am
------------- Layton |
Date Posted: 24 September 2009 at 10:48am
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The route sheet is posted on the front page of the WFO website.
http://www.wfopromotions.com/ - http://www.wfopromotions.com/
For all other information including a map go to http://www.pgoffroadracing.com - www.pgoffroadracing.com
With the reset format we are using you cannot leave the check before your minute comes up. Just like at the start of an enduro.
While we have tried to have realistic times in the test sections, if a really fast rider were to "burn" the out check, they will simply receive a zero for the check. In other words, there will not be a penalty for getting there to early.
Hope to see you there. ------------- Layton |
Date Posted: 24 September 2009 at 4:59pm
| Sorry, but please refresh my memory. It's been a long time since my last enduro...on the route chart, could you tell me the meaning of the column with all the 1L, 1R, 2R, 2L, Free to, Reset at, Reset to, etc. What's all that mean again? |
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 8:25am
Well, the 1L, 1R etc is just plain an error. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.  One more thing to fix before Sunday.
But 1L would mean turn #1 and it would be a left turn.
The free to means just that. No checks until whatever that mileage is.
Resets are just that. Say you are at 12.0 miles with an average speed of 24mph. We tell you to reset from 12 miles to 24.0 miles. You didn't move but you gained a half hour of time.
So, in the above example, if you were 10 minutes late at that 12 mile point and you reset to 24 miles, you are now 20 minutes ahead even though you didn't move a wheel.
Resets are used to get riders back on time and keep them from racing on the roads.
------------- Layton |
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 9:48am
| OK, thanks for confirming what I already thought. |
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 9:56am
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We have corrected the route sheet on the WFO website as of 10 am Friday morning.
I'm sure Ryan will fix the ones on this site soon but for now you can go to http://www.wfopromotions.com/ - http://www.wfopromotions.com/ for the corrected version. ------------- Layton |
Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 2:33pm
Superman, I sometimes hit trees, or MX riders that won't move. Also I'm not sure about Walker but I heard some won't be sandbagging the A class this time, any truth to that???
And I just spoke to Heath and the route sheet is going to updated again so I took down the link to it. They probably won't be ready until sign up time.
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Date Posted: 25 September 2009 at 10:16pm
| The only guy I see washing bikes is Superman when he's crying his eye's out. |
Date Posted: 26 September 2009 at 8:14am
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Ms. cornstalker: Don not forget to eat your wheaties before the race. I will also have the boys shave the edge off my tire today to better your chances for the overall win. You must have forgot: The last time I passed you at Geneseo it about spun you around. You looked a lot like a owl with your neck turned all sorts of crazy. Which way did he go , which way did he go!
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Date Posted: 26 September 2009 at 8:20am
| Party tonight at Wide Open bar and grill. 452 15th street downtown Moline. Accross from the Chase building. Come on down and fill up on those carbs. College football all day , boxing at 9:00 , food and drink specials , outside seating , and I am sure we will have some dancing on the bar. Open till 2:00 am - lets go. Come on Layton Ill have you home by 2:30. Trust me. |
Date Posted: 26 September 2009 at 10:12am
Hey, no free advertising there superman, that will cost you a new 250XC!
Forget taking Layton out, take Heath out I think he needs a few beers.
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Date Posted: 26 September 2009 at 12:30pm
| Its not a party unless everyones invited. So lets go. |
Date Posted: 28 September 2009 at 10:34am
Well I survived. I must admit it was an ass kicker though. Fun sections and sections that turned me into a potty mouth. After one creek crossing I finally crawled out of I leaned my bike against a tree, took off all my gear, and just laid down on the hill side.  Hope everyone made it out alive!! |
Date Posted: 28 September 2009 at 9:10pm
| I saw the Frontera in the pits. Looked like too nice of a bike to thrash in the enduro. |
Date Posted: 28 September 2009 at 11:07pm
| yeah, that was my Frontera and as usual with Buls, I'll probably spend a week on maintenance before it's next ride. You're right that I did thrash it a bit. I guess I'll claim my poor memory that I don't remember enduros being as difficult as this one. My last enduro was in 1990. Maybe it's my age and poor physical condition but those early steep hills just sapped me. I wasn't alone though. I watched many others struggle to get to the top of some of those. Some sadistic bast**rd arrowed those trails. I'm not ready to make the Frontera a museum piece yet. I just haven't ridden it enough yet. It's been in moth balls too long. Still time left to air it out. See you guys at the next enduro somewhere. |
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 5:13pm
As I had mentioned there are some vintage friendly events in the area, one of which is the Walnut VMX race Oct 10th. But if you insist on torturing yourself, the Leaf River enduro is a good run on Nov 8th. 
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Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 3:39pm
------------- Layton |
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 8:06pm
| You sure about the date? |
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 9:09pm
No. For some reason I had it on my calendar for Nov 8th. But I see the schedule says Oct 25th? I don't know, but October is probably correct. |